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Old 12-11-2005, 09:28 AM
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has anyone been in my position?

My husband lives about a 45 min drive away from where I am. When we first spilt up he came back and forward to see me (we were trying to keep it amicable) and our 5yr old son.
He no longer has the use of a car, (he was borrowing a friend's) so cannot visit. I have found that personally I'm better off not seeing him and I feel more relaxed and happier not having contact.

The thing is our son.
He misses his daddy, he has now stopped asking if daddy is going to come back and live with us (this has taken about 4 months) but still asks when daddy is coming to take him out. He says he loves and misses his daddy and it just breaks my heart.

His dad hasn't even phoned to speak to him so has had no contact at all for at least 2 months. When he did come and visit at the start of our break up it was because I pushed for him to do so - now I've had no contact he hasn't bothered. I know he has a girlfriend (he told me 4 days after leaving me) and has been there to visit her and she lives further away than we do!
Why can't he visit his son?

I'm so upset and feel such a failure for A) my marriage breakdown and B) not pushing for more contact on behalf of my son.
Has anyone been through this?
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:19 AM
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Laura I went through this with my first husband. He still lived in the village and when we first split up he couldn't have been a better dad. He had both the kids every weekend and a couple of nights a week for tea. In fact some days he'd ring and tell me not to go up to the school and that he'd pick the kids up and fetch them home. He saw them loads and paid maintenance to me. Then he dropped it to every other weekend so he could start going out and meeting people and he met the woman who was to become his second wife.

At first things stayed the same he was still having them and in fact she encouraged him to I don't know I think they had this lets play happy families idea in their head and he trheatened to go for custody as he could offer the kids a stable home life as he had a partner. Forget the fact that the marriage broke down cos he beat me up in front of the kids he believed he could offer a happier home life.

But then the maintenance stopped, she got fed up of having the kids there on weekends and for tea and so he just stopped turning up for them. Leanne didn't want to go anyway but Andrew waited every time his dad was due for him to come and get him. I can still fill up now when I think of him sitting looking out of the window saying will he come today mum. Then one day Andrews friends asked him to go swimming and he was so undecided in case his dad came. Bearing in mind he hadn't been for weeks I told him to go. Later that day his dad was on his way home from work and was taking a shortcut down our street. Leanne saw him, thought he was coming for Andrew and so told him he'd gone swimming but would be back soon and so he got really huffy. Andrew got in not long after, Leanne told him his dad had been and he was so upset. As he hand't actually come to the door I'd twigged he was taking the shortcut but Andrew rung him and told him he'd just missed him and he could be there for his tea in five minutes. That's when his dad had to say he hadn't been coming for him and that's the point at which Andrew knew his dad didn't want to know.

He always remembered birthdays and Christmas and would either knock at the door with presents or post cards and money through the letterbox until he split with the second wife.

Once again he was back wanting to know his kids and so they gave him a chance. After a few weeks he started seeing a woman who's daughter was Leannes friend and within weeks had moved in with her. The same pattern followed where he cut off contact with the kids until again. That really hurt Leanne as this girl was her best friend at the time and all of a sudden her dad was playing dad to her friend and sisters while cutting her off. In fact she ended up not having anything to do with her friend as she found it so hard it was easier not to have any contact. He split with that woman and came back. This time last year he was all over the kids, taking them out for lunch, ringing them etc. And then in the new year he started seeing someone else, introduced her to the kids and then slowly cut off contact again. He's engaged to this one and texted them to his engagement/40th birthday party a few week ago and neither of them went.

Like you I've felt awful for my kids like I'd let them down but I know realistically it's not my fault. I've always been here for them, they've always come first yet still I've wondered what I could have done to change things. There's nothing I could have done. He chose to do what he did and so he's lost out seeing the kids grow up and being part of their life. I always reminded them every year that it was his birthday coming up and I always asked did they want to send a fathers day card and Christmas presents. They always made their own minds up and as time went on they said no. They did send him one this year for his 40th but only because he'd invited them to the party and they felt it would be polite to ackowledge the fact that they'd been invited.

It has been hard for the kids especially as he's always lived in the village and so they've had to see him going about his daily business but I think they've grown up ok. Leanne considers her step dad - my awkward ex to be her dad as he was the main fella in her life from when she was almost five. Andrew the one who was most hurt by his dad has turned out a brilliant lad who'll tell anyone who'll listen that he's turned out the way he has thanks to me fetching him up on my own and doing such a bloody good job. When I hear him saying that then I know I've got nothing at all to reproach myself for and I'm grateful that he hasn't let his dads actions get to him.

God I'm rambled on some there The most you can do is be there for your son. As angry as you get about him letting him down never bad mouth his dad in front of him - call him from a pig to a dog and back again when he's not listening! Make sure he knows that it's not his fault his dad's letting him down - I did that with mine but never made excuses for their dad. It was up to him to make excuses and as much as I never bad mouthed him in front of the kids, at the same time I wasn't going to big him up and make his excuses for him. It's not easy and I so feel for you at the moment. I've sat and cried many a time for my kids and how let down they've been but like I say they got through it and the only person who's lost out long term is their dad.

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Old 12-11-2005, 10:23 AM
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yes i totally understand where you are coming from i have pm'd you!!!
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:28 AM
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Chris is an odd one Laura with regards to our son charlie. He was around every few days when we first split then every weekend, I started seeing someone and instead of seeing him more because another man was living with his son he dropped to seeing him once every 3 weeks-ish. When Alex and I split up he started seeing him more again and now its averaged out to being once every week-10 days (though saying that its been over a fortnight now!)

Kids are amazingly resourceful and so long as you're bright and happy and loving and offering him support etc he will be fine. He'll make his own mind up about his dad soon enough.

I think the most important thing is to never ever bad-mouth your ex in front of your son. I haven't regardless of how much I dislike him or he pisses me off which is hard but at least in 10 years he can't turn round and say that to me.

Good luck, it isn't easy. xx
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I think the most important thing is to never ever bad-mouth your ex in front of your son. I haven't regardless of how much I dislike him or he pisses me off which is hard but at least in 10 years he can't turn round and say that to me.
That's one thing I've always said about you V. I've never heard you say a bad thing about him in front of Charlie. I remember rugby (I think) was on once and you were telling Charlie how his dad had played that and what he'd done and I thought it was great that you spoke so positively about him to Charlie
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Old 12-11-2005, 01:45 PM
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Thanks for the advice and the PM Lissa. I don't talk in a bad way about his dad in front of him.
My other kids were hurt too by thier step dad going and my 11 yr old son started to say things in front of his little brother. I took him aside and explained that we were all angry, but it was his little brother's daddy and he doesn't need to hear bad things about him - the same way if someone said bad things about HIS dad (my 1st husband) he would be upset. He agreed he would be and has been supportive of his little brother since.
I'm not going to push my husband to come visit his son, he knows where we are if he wants to get in touch. By the same token I will be as truthful as I can be when my son asks questions.
Thanks for answering - really useful advice, as always.
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Old 12-11-2005, 03:34 PM
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I feel for your son, I really do - but it's your ex's loss in the end if he doesn'y get to enjoy deeing him grow up. I read somewhere that 50% of separated fathers lose contact with their children and although that staistic is shocking, at least you know it's not just your ex. I feel quite honoured that my dad made the effort to see me most weekends when I was young.

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Old 13-11-2005, 10:51 AM
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When Steph's dad and I split up it was fairly amicable. He worked funny shifts- 5 days on, 5 off then 2 days 2 off. Then 5 nights, 5 off.. then 2 nights 2 off. He said he wanted Steph when he was off work, so initially he saw as much off her as I did.Then his shift pattern became normal so he had her every weekend- sometimes fri-sun, sometimes sat-sun. Then he got a girlfriend, she had 2 boys and was divorced, and they got on great, Steph loved her kids, but her ex was a complete git, and she wasnt ready to trust again so they broke up. Then he met Nadine- so i said did he want a weekend 'off' every month to go out properly? Next thing is she comes up with an elaborate timetable of who steph would be with and when, when her dad would get her from school blah blah. I used to take steph to see her dad after school sometimes cos we always knew when he would be at work- until the day Nadine walked down the path, looked at me and turned to Kev and said "Whats SHE doing here?". Things got sour then. Now Steph only sees him about every 3 weeks, for roughly 4 hours a time, always the same routine.. pictures, mcdonalds, wacky warehouse. And just over 3 years ago Nadine stopped Steph staying overnight. A few months after having her first child. She's expecting again in the next couple of weeks and i'll get the fall out again. I really wouldnt care if he'd married a descendant of Ghengis Khan as long as she didnt try and break up Stephs relationship with her dad. He will ring Steph usually a day or so before he wants her, and never in between. She still loves him, and before all this with wife no.3 he was a great dad- which is possibly the worst bit.
The best thing is not to force the issue, but let them see him if he and they are keen. And I'm with Vicki on this one- however tempting, dont slag him off in front of the kids. They will figure him out when they get older.
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You know the common link seems to be they were all bloody good dads till a woman comes along
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I really wouldnt care if he'd married a descendant of Ghengis Khan ..........
probably a good thing too cos it seems that a fair proportion of the worlds population are his descendants
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